Triumph Tiger Cub Mailing List, Forum 

and Web Site Commercial Use FAQ

 

INTRODUCTION

This FAQ will hopefully acquaint you with our restrictions on the use of the Triumph Tiger Cub Forum and Web Site when it comes to commercial use. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask and I will respond as quickly as possible. This may seem overly restrictive, but remember this is a Web Site designed specifically for the free exchange of information and fellowship.  It is provided without cost to you but please remember also, the list owner bears the cost of this Web Site - though free of cost to you, it is paid for.  This site is not-for-profit and built and operated by a volunteer that spends a lot of time making sure everything is running properly.

Q: What the heck do you mean by 'Commercial Use?'

A: Commercial use is basically any use that gives or derives a financial benefit. Examples range from someone selling an extra oil filter o-ring to a fly-by-night company selling instructions on how to make $50,000 in one month.

Q: Why should there be any restrictions on this type of use, after all it is easy just to hit the delete key.

A: This goes far deeper then the liberal use of the delete key to thin out posts. The Triumph Tiger Cub Forum and Web Site are free for all who wish to participate and many people give generously in time helping others.  Taking advantage of that by trying to "free-ride" for personal or commercial benefit is abusive and incredibly disrespectful. Allowing unrestricted commercial access to the forum or site would not only be a slap in the face to the owner, it would quickly lead to Usenet-type of flood of unrelated ads and in all likelihood significantly alter the free and open character of the Triumph Tiger Cub Forum and Web Site.  Remember that the forum is free and open, but abusers can and will be barred from participating.

Q: OK, so commercial use is restricted but not banned. What are the guidelines?

A: Glad you asked! I have [noted below] several of the most common uses and whether or not they are permissible. Note that slack has been extended to people that contribute a great deal to the forum. So far, business people that contribute the most have never had a need for it.  As always, if you have a question, please just ask!

Q: What about selling my bike.

A: OK, the proper method is to announce it once to the forum. In no circumstance should you post more than two times, and never within the same week.  If you have several items, list them all in the same post. Repeated ads, especially buried in cute or inane posts, are incredibly annoying.

Q: I am not a dealer, but I make goods and or provide services to Tiger Cub Owners and would like to let people know about it.

A: Now we are starting to tread on tricky ground. Here's the deal: you can post your services or products to the list ONCE ONLY. We won't allow repeat advertisements for sales and crap, but resources that benefit Tiger Cub Owners are always being sought.  You can also place your information in the sig. line of your posts as long as the purpose of the post is not just to simply display the sig. line.  No 10-line sig. files please, internet custom is 4 lines with anything over 5 considered excessive.

Q: Wait a minute, someone asked on the forum about a part or service I provide. Can't I send a post to the forum telling everyone about my products and services?

A: No. Not after you have posted your information once. Post privately to the person who asked about the part or service and let them tell the forum if they wish.  Objective reviews of others' parts and service are always welcome, advertisements are simply not allowed more than once.  And trust me, I monitor what's posted carefully.

Q: I am a dealer and I want to post to the list about my new Web Site and some things I have for sale.

A: Well, now we are on really tricky ground!  Hopefully, several dealers will maintain a presence on the Triumph Tiger Cub Forum and Web Site.  I ask they show restraint in posting commercial messages. You may occasionally see a message about something sponsored by these dealers. Because they can give a perspective unavailable to the forum if they were not frequently posting informative replies to legitimate questions, their infrequent announcements would be welcome. Not welcome would be a dealer that participated solely to advertise or promote his or her business, more than infrequently posting regarding free events, or at any time advertised his or her products and services.  As above, small sig. lines are welcome in good faith answers to legitimate posts.  BTW, having a list member pass along such information to circumvent these reasonable restrictions not only violates the spirit of them, it shows a great disregard for those that keep the forum alive.  Please note that while one-time announcements for free open houses, free weekend rides and the like are welcomed, announcements for paid events (whether for a good cause or not) are strictly forbidden.

Q: I run a Motorcycle Touring Company - I want everyone to know about an incredible opportunity to tour the Alps.

A: Forget it, take out ads in the leading touring magazines. Unsolicited advertisements of this nature are expressly forbidden. (Phew, finally a simple one! :)

Q: I have the secret for making $50,000 in two weeks by working at home for no more than an hour a day.

A: Well, this will in all likelihood earn the sender and his ISP hundreds and hundreds of megabytes of information, Homer's Complete Odyssey's come immediately to mind as a start, sent from better T-1 & T-3 lines everywhere with notes to carefully examine the enclosed files for any sign whatsoever that such a blatantly ridiculous ad would be welcome on this forum.

Q: Well, what I want to do doesn't really fall into any of these categories.

A: That is an easy one, simply ask the Triumph Tiger Cub Forum and Web Site administrator!

Q: I am not happy to hear about all of these restrictions, I am online because I heard about what a great business opportunity it is.

A: And it still is, as long as you properly use the medium. First, get a Web Site, build and upload your data.  Second, send the address of your new Web Site to search engines, or a free submittal service like Submit It!.  Lastly, you may want to lurk a while before posting anything if you're not familiar with forums, to see how others similarly situated take advantage of the Internet without abusing it. As always, feel free to contact the Triumph Tiger Cub Forum and Web Site Administrator at any time should you have any doubt about the appropriateness of a post.

Q: I have this great idea for a product or service...would it be OK for me to subscribe so I could cull list members' e-mail addresses in order to send them Spam? I mean, I am not spamming the list, so that would be OK right?

A: No, that is not OK. The Triumph Tiger Cub Forum and Web Site has a trade right to the e-mail addresses specifically for that very reason. Please note everything on this site is Copyrighted. That includes e-mail addresses that are required for the sole purpose of verification or for the administrator of this site to contact individuals when necessary - and then only for administrative purposes.

Q: So you are saying that if I want to sell anything I can't really come right out and say so, and that I will even have to contribute free information and advice to the list just to make a brief commercial mention in my sig. file?

A: You are almost right! You can tell the forum about what you offer once.  You should note that though I may prune the Classifieds some, it will only be done long after an advertised item was originally listed, and then only for space recovery. Advertising may be a necessary evil on TV and the Radio, but most of us must pay every month to have Internet service.  Further, I pay for hosting this Web Site out of my pocket as well as maintain it.  There are places on the internet where you can advertise to your heart's content, but on the Triumph Tiger Cub Forum and Web Site it is quite restricted, and heartily discouraged. Once is enough.  Bottom line?  I own the Site, I reserve the right to allow or refuse to allow ads solely at my discression.

Q: Oh well, what are you going to do... Sue me?

A: Probably not but don't count on that not happening.  What we will do is take aggressive action not necessarily limited to making sure you no longer have access to this forum.

Got a question not covered here? You sure have the right to ask anything you want. Just click the little E-Mail thingie.  I, of course, reserve the right to answer you in as much, or as little, detail as I choose.

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